NKR
10-03 08:35 AM
My status on CRIS has changed. No emails. Its says my approval has been sent. But nothing about the card. I spoke to the CS and they said my biometrics have to be uploaded. In the mean time can I get my passport stamped?.
Could you tell me your PD, RD, ND and service centre please?..
Could you tell me your PD, RD, ND and service centre please?..
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mirage
03-06 03:10 PM
Just a little update, Called up my Senator's office this morning..Started talking about country Cap issue, the guy knew everything about it, he took notes & promised he will pass it on to the Senator. Here's what I suggested him
1) Lift the Country Cap for Temporary period of time, may be just for 2 years.
2) Limit the Maximum waiting time, say if one applicant is waiting for 5 years than country cap should be exempted and he should be given a preference over a person who�s PD is just 1 year old.
He specifically told me 'your second point is very good, I'll certainly share these with the Senator'...
I urge you guys to contact your senators & Congressmen/Congresswomen
We have a group which is focusing on this issue, if you want to join us here's the link
1) Lift the Country Cap for Temporary period of time, may be just for 2 years.
2) Limit the Maximum waiting time, say if one applicant is waiting for 5 years than country cap should be exempted and he should be given a preference over a person who�s PD is just 1 year old.
He specifically told me 'your second point is very good, I'll certainly share these with the Senator'...
I urge you guys to contact your senators & Congressmen/Congresswomen
We have a group which is focusing on this issue, if you want to join us here's the link
needhelp!
02-10 02:19 PM
Sent $25 check via bill pay.
To IV members watching from the sidelines: Contribute now so that IV can expand its efforts to fix this mess!
To IV members watching from the sidelines: Contribute now so that IV can expand its efforts to fix this mess!
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arihant
05-04 03:43 PM
I don't think having a MS degree supercedes a BS always.
How can you compare say for example a BS+10 yrs person with a kid just out of school doing MS. Doesn't jive. I think at somepoint both level off. Just merely having a MS degree doesn't mean anything without experience.
IT is not just one such field. You would find other's too. Financial aspect that you are talking is a whole different topic
You are right in your observation. But, the SKIL Bill seems to place emphasis on people with advanced degrees. So, whether you and I agree about the Bachelors + work experience part or not, the fact of the matter is that the Bill exempts people with advanced degrees from cap limits.
How can you compare say for example a BS+10 yrs person with a kid just out of school doing MS. Doesn't jive. I think at somepoint both level off. Just merely having a MS degree doesn't mean anything without experience.
IT is not just one such field. You would find other's too. Financial aspect that you are talking is a whole different topic
You are right in your observation. But, the SKIL Bill seems to place emphasis on people with advanced degrees. So, whether you and I agree about the Bachelors + work experience part or not, the fact of the matter is that the Bill exempts people with advanced degrees from cap limits.
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GCNaseeb
09-12 09:24 AM
Please create link to main page So that everyone can access easily.
Its been noticed that the updates are not seen from the main page right from it was created. Better yet to create a new thread under members only thread and try merging these.
Its been noticed that the updates are not seen from the main page right from it was created. Better yet to create a new thread under members only thread and try merging these.
raju123
07-09 07:35 PM
Amit,
This is nice but I feel we should mention briefly about how we inspired from Mahatma Gandhi and his philosophy.
Flowers to Convey Hopes and Concerns of Skilled, Legal Immigrants
July 9, 2007
What
Hundreds of legal, highly-skilled workers, who feel disappointed by the recent "flip-flop" enacted by the Department of State (DoS) and the United States Citizenship and Immigration Service (USCIS), with regards to eliminating the Green-Card processing delays, plan to send flowers to the USCIS Director, Emilio Gonzalez as a part of a symbolic and peaceful protest.
Where
The flowers are scheduled to be delivered to his office at 20 Massachusetts Avenue, NW Washington D.C. through various flower vendors.
When
July 10th, 2007.
Why
With this effort, they hope to create awareness about their predicament and express their anguish and frustration at the reversal and the lack of action from the Government. These are the highly skilled workers who have been driving the innovation in the US for many decades and have been living in this country legally and yet, they feel that their issues, concerns and contributions to the economy have largely gone unnoticed.
There are 140,000 Green cards allocated for highly-skilled workers and their dependents in a fiscal year (unused visas may not be rolled over to the next year). However, due to over-subscription, thousands of highly-skilled workers, including engineers, scientists, MBAs and health care professionals have been waiting patiently for years in order to be eligible to apply for their Green cards.
On June 13th, 2007, DoS provided a glimmer of hope to these aspiring legal immigrants, by announcing in their visa bulletin that all Employment-based green card applicants and their dependents would be eligible to apply for their Green cards, during the month of July 2007. Following this announcement, most of these future Americans and their sponsoring businesses, began a scramble to compile the documents and complete medical examinations required for their applications. After overcoming several hurdles and enduring hardships, these applicants eagerly waited for July 2, 2007 to send out their applications to the USCIS. However, to their dismay, the DoS, in an unprecedented move, issued an addendum to the visa bulletin, on the very day that the USCIS should have begun accepting their applications, stating that all available visa numbers for the current fiscal year had been used up and that no new applications would be accepted.
This sudden reversal has resulted in emotional distress and financial losses for these individuals and businesses.
Now, these highly-skilled professionals have decided to call attention to the "broken" immigration system in the U.S. for legal immigrants, by sending flowers to the USCIS Director, Emilio Gonzalez. They request that the USCIS honor the original visa bulletin and accept applications received through the month of July. In addition, they hope to encourage the U.S. Government to create more fool-proof immigration policies for the forthcoming year or at the least pass a legislation allowing the continual use of unused employment-based immigrant visa numbers from previous years.
Dilip Tekkedil who came to the US in 1998 for graduate studies and is still waiting for his green card hopes to send a simple message with this campaign � �fix the system�, he says. On various online discussion forums, most skilled, legal immigrants want to send this message to USCIS and more broadly to the US lawmakers � �I understand that your agency does all it can to do the best job. I hope you empathize with a legal immigrant's frustration. A small token of peaceful symbolic act and hoping for the best.�
Media Contact: This symbolic protest largely grew out of grassroots discussion on various forums on the website hosted by the group Immigration Voice. Some volunteers who work with Immigration Voice have been loosely directing this event.
References:
This article on the South Asian Journalist Association's forum explains the issues facing skilled, legal professionals in the US.
Media coverage
The Wall Street Journal: Reversal Frustrates Green-Card Applicants by MIRIAM JORDAN. July 5, 2007; Page A2
The New York Times: Suit Planned Over Visas for the Highly Skilled by JULIA PRESTON. July 6, 2007
The Times Of India: Green Card Hopefuls Resort to Gandhigiri in US by Chidanand Rajghatta. July 7, 2007
The New York Times: Immigration Malpractice. July 7, 2007
This is nice but I feel we should mention briefly about how we inspired from Mahatma Gandhi and his philosophy.
Flowers to Convey Hopes and Concerns of Skilled, Legal Immigrants
July 9, 2007
What
Hundreds of legal, highly-skilled workers, who feel disappointed by the recent "flip-flop" enacted by the Department of State (DoS) and the United States Citizenship and Immigration Service (USCIS), with regards to eliminating the Green-Card processing delays, plan to send flowers to the USCIS Director, Emilio Gonzalez as a part of a symbolic and peaceful protest.
Where
The flowers are scheduled to be delivered to his office at 20 Massachusetts Avenue, NW Washington D.C. through various flower vendors.
When
July 10th, 2007.
Why
With this effort, they hope to create awareness about their predicament and express their anguish and frustration at the reversal and the lack of action from the Government. These are the highly skilled workers who have been driving the innovation in the US for many decades and have been living in this country legally and yet, they feel that their issues, concerns and contributions to the economy have largely gone unnoticed.
There are 140,000 Green cards allocated for highly-skilled workers and their dependents in a fiscal year (unused visas may not be rolled over to the next year). However, due to over-subscription, thousands of highly-skilled workers, including engineers, scientists, MBAs and health care professionals have been waiting patiently for years in order to be eligible to apply for their Green cards.
On June 13th, 2007, DoS provided a glimmer of hope to these aspiring legal immigrants, by announcing in their visa bulletin that all Employment-based green card applicants and their dependents would be eligible to apply for their Green cards, during the month of July 2007. Following this announcement, most of these future Americans and their sponsoring businesses, began a scramble to compile the documents and complete medical examinations required for their applications. After overcoming several hurdles and enduring hardships, these applicants eagerly waited for July 2, 2007 to send out their applications to the USCIS. However, to their dismay, the DoS, in an unprecedented move, issued an addendum to the visa bulletin, on the very day that the USCIS should have begun accepting their applications, stating that all available visa numbers for the current fiscal year had been used up and that no new applications would be accepted.
This sudden reversal has resulted in emotional distress and financial losses for these individuals and businesses.
Now, these highly-skilled professionals have decided to call attention to the "broken" immigration system in the U.S. for legal immigrants, by sending flowers to the USCIS Director, Emilio Gonzalez. They request that the USCIS honor the original visa bulletin and accept applications received through the month of July. In addition, they hope to encourage the U.S. Government to create more fool-proof immigration policies for the forthcoming year or at the least pass a legislation allowing the continual use of unused employment-based immigrant visa numbers from previous years.
Dilip Tekkedil who came to the US in 1998 for graduate studies and is still waiting for his green card hopes to send a simple message with this campaign � �fix the system�, he says. On various online discussion forums, most skilled, legal immigrants want to send this message to USCIS and more broadly to the US lawmakers � �I understand that your agency does all it can to do the best job. I hope you empathize with a legal immigrant's frustration. A small token of peaceful symbolic act and hoping for the best.�
Media Contact: This symbolic protest largely grew out of grassroots discussion on various forums on the website hosted by the group Immigration Voice. Some volunteers who work with Immigration Voice have been loosely directing this event.
References:
This article on the South Asian Journalist Association's forum explains the issues facing skilled, legal professionals in the US.
Media coverage
The Wall Street Journal: Reversal Frustrates Green-Card Applicants by MIRIAM JORDAN. July 5, 2007; Page A2
The New York Times: Suit Planned Over Visas for the Highly Skilled by JULIA PRESTON. July 6, 2007
The Times Of India: Green Card Hopefuls Resort to Gandhigiri in US by Chidanand Rajghatta. July 7, 2007
The New York Times: Immigration Malpractice. July 7, 2007
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malaGCPahije
03-26 10:38 AM
EB3-India with PD 2003 and before - Most will be out by December 2008 -
Perhaps 10% may still rot in NC further.
EB3-India with PD JAN 2004 - DEC 2004 - Most will be out by August 2009
Perhaps 20% may still rot in NC
further.
EB3-India with PD JAN 2005 - April 2005 - Most will be out by April 2010
Perhaps 5% may still rot in NC
further.
EB3-India May 2005 Onwards - Can not predict - It is good to look for other
options and that option certainly MUST not
be switching to EB2
BharatPremi, I hope your predictions are either met or excelled. I will pray for the happiness for your future 7 generation :-). After waiting for so many years, even 2009 does not sound that bad. I know I have no right to complain since many in EB3 have been waiting for years before me.
I also agree that porting to EB2 is not easy. A couple of my friends had their PERM labor itself rejected. I think waiting it out in EB3 may not turn out to be that bad. Or I do hope so....
Perhaps 10% may still rot in NC further.
EB3-India with PD JAN 2004 - DEC 2004 - Most will be out by August 2009
Perhaps 20% may still rot in NC
further.
EB3-India with PD JAN 2005 - April 2005 - Most will be out by April 2010
Perhaps 5% may still rot in NC
further.
EB3-India May 2005 Onwards - Can not predict - It is good to look for other
options and that option certainly MUST not
be switching to EB2
BharatPremi, I hope your predictions are either met or excelled. I will pray for the happiness for your future 7 generation :-). After waiting for so many years, even 2009 does not sound that bad. I know I have no right to complain since many in EB3 have been waiting for years before me.
I also agree that porting to EB2 is not easy. A couple of my friends had their PERM labor itself rejected. I think waiting it out in EB3 may not turn out to be that bad. Or I do hope so....
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santb1975
12-15 11:41 PM
I have been in US since 1998 as well and I have a EB2 PD of Nov 2006. I keep myself healthy and happy. To me if there is no work here there will be work somewhere else and if there is no growth this country there will be growth somewhere else. Cheer up buddy :-)
Been in the US since 1998, have an EB-2 PD of 2001, have played by the rules all along. Still no GC... And, the dates are going back to 2000 from the new year.. I've lost hopes...
I'm pretty close to getting clinical depression because of this game played by USCIS, Labor Dept, FBI and my own bad luck.
SKILL bill, OMNIBUS, etc. comes and goes. IV does seem to be doing things to lobby for the community, but let's face one reality. Like a news article said, no one in congress or senate wants to touch immigration even with a long pole until 2009.
The US has been very good to me (other than the GC part), more than my home country (India) which is why I'm still here.
Have invested too much of time in this country to just pack up and go. Just curious if any of you feel this way? How do you handle such depressing feelings?
Been in the US since 1998, have an EB-2 PD of 2001, have played by the rules all along. Still no GC... And, the dates are going back to 2000 from the new year.. I've lost hopes...
I'm pretty close to getting clinical depression because of this game played by USCIS, Labor Dept, FBI and my own bad luck.
SKILL bill, OMNIBUS, etc. comes and goes. IV does seem to be doing things to lobby for the community, but let's face one reality. Like a news article said, no one in congress or senate wants to touch immigration even with a long pole until 2009.
The US has been very good to me (other than the GC part), more than my home country (India) which is why I'm still here.
Have invested too much of time in this country to just pack up and go. Just curious if any of you feel this way? How do you handle such depressing feelings?
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saisujatha123
05-12 06:45 PM
Some one tell where and how to send flowers?:confused:
Please advice
Please advice
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05-23 12:36 PM
sent emails to 10 senators
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dtekkedil
07-02 11:30 PM
these things rrgood for movies not practical life. 2 days more and everyone will move on. just watch...
and now, here everyone comes bashing me for speaking the truth :)
Perhaps a few will move on... but there are those who have sincerely been hurt by this "bait and switch". I hope to believe that they would keep this up!
Besides, the aim is to create as much awareness as possible! If we can achieve that, half our job is done!
By the way... we don't have to give the "All the best" note in person. We can mail it! A single flower along with it will make it a little more effective.
and now, here everyone comes bashing me for speaking the truth :)
Perhaps a few will move on... but there are those who have sincerely been hurt by this "bait and switch". I hope to believe that they would keep this up!
Besides, the aim is to create as much awareness as possible! If we can achieve that, half our job is done!
By the way... we don't have to give the "All the best" note in person. We can mail it! A single flower along with it will make it a little more effective.
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viswanadh73
11-18 02:19 PM
I am wondering none of these senators who responded as of now understand our request for adding the provision of recapturing unused visas. Please read below response from IOWA senator and not even one word about our request.
I appreciate you taking the time to share with me your views regarding S. 729, the Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors Act. The views of my fellow Iowans are an essential component of my decision making process as a Member of Congress.
As you may know, Senator Richard Durbin introduced S. 729 on March 26, 2009. This legislation would allow unlawful immigrants who entered the U.S. as minors to gain eligibility for higher education benefits based on state residence, unless a U.S. citizen is eligible for the same benefits. S. 729 has been referred to the Senate Committee on Judiciary. You will be interested to know that Congressman Howard Berman introduced H.R. 1751, the American Dream Act, on March 26, 2009, which would create a similar law. H.R. 1751 has been referred to the House Committee on Judiciary and the House Committee on Education and Labor. Please be assured that I will keep your views in mind should the full House consider this issue during the 111th Congress.
Our nation faces many challenges, and economic recovery is vital if we are to meet them. As a senior member of the House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, I will continue building upon the job creation opportunities that I have delivered to the 3rd District in order to expand commerce, spur business development, and provide economic opportunity to all. I periodically provide electronic updates on issues I think my constituents might be interested in. If you would like to receive the E-newsletter, please sign up at my Web Site at Congressman Leonard Boswell : Home (http://boswell.house.gov). As always, please feel free to contact me or my office if ever you think we may be of assistance.
Sincerely,
Leonard L. Boswell
Member of Congress
I appreciate you taking the time to share with me your views regarding S. 729, the Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors Act. The views of my fellow Iowans are an essential component of my decision making process as a Member of Congress.
As you may know, Senator Richard Durbin introduced S. 729 on March 26, 2009. This legislation would allow unlawful immigrants who entered the U.S. as minors to gain eligibility for higher education benefits based on state residence, unless a U.S. citizen is eligible for the same benefits. S. 729 has been referred to the Senate Committee on Judiciary. You will be interested to know that Congressman Howard Berman introduced H.R. 1751, the American Dream Act, on March 26, 2009, which would create a similar law. H.R. 1751 has been referred to the House Committee on Judiciary and the House Committee on Education and Labor. Please be assured that I will keep your views in mind should the full House consider this issue during the 111th Congress.
Our nation faces many challenges, and economic recovery is vital if we are to meet them. As a senior member of the House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, I will continue building upon the job creation opportunities that I have delivered to the 3rd District in order to expand commerce, spur business development, and provide economic opportunity to all. I periodically provide electronic updates on issues I think my constituents might be interested in. If you would like to receive the E-newsletter, please sign up at my Web Site at Congressman Leonard Boswell : Home (http://boswell.house.gov). As always, please feel free to contact me or my office if ever you think we may be of assistance.
Sincerely,
Leonard L. Boswell
Member of Congress
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asdcrajnet
07-02 09:52 AM
Same here..But I am little lucky.My PD is May 2003.
I sent the documents by June 8th,
On June 25th I wrote them a sentimental email saying that I have not been to my home country in the last 4 years and would love to see my parents in ailing(Sorry Dad!!) december atleast. I mentioned them that getting h1B stamping is really a pain and would like to have EAD/AP by then. So its better to get in the queue before the July 1st rush
Luckily they sent my package on June 26th. Hope it had reached the USCIS on time and mine is accepted.
Yeah, I know my life sucks. I have a priority date of Jan 2003. Got filed under EB3 even though did MS here... I begged and pleaded that they atleast send it on Jan 28th. For god's sake, I was qualified all the way since June 1st. I gave all the documents necessary by June 6th itself. Well, but they had to file on 29th.
I sent the documents by June 8th,
On June 25th I wrote them a sentimental email saying that I have not been to my home country in the last 4 years and would love to see my parents in ailing(Sorry Dad!!) december atleast. I mentioned them that getting h1B stamping is really a pain and would like to have EAD/AP by then. So its better to get in the queue before the July 1st rush
Luckily they sent my package on June 26th. Hope it had reached the USCIS on time and mine is accepted.
Yeah, I know my life sucks. I have a priority date of Jan 2003. Got filed under EB3 even though did MS here... I begged and pleaded that they atleast send it on Jan 28th. For god's sake, I was qualified all the way since June 1st. I gave all the documents necessary by June 6th itself. Well, but they had to file on 29th.
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perm
08-06 02:35 PM
My checks cashed. Mailed I485-EB2, EAD, AP on June 29th, reached USCIS - NSC on July 2nd 10:25 am by Fedex. Checks cashed on 8/3 - Still not be able to see the back side of the image for RD etc. My I-140 was approved last year from TSC.
I was expecting my case to be transfered rom NSC to TSC!!?? also NO lud on I-140 case so far.
I was expecting my case to be transfered rom NSC to TSC!!?? also NO lud on I-140 case so far.
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forever
08-03 03:10 PM
I hate to get into the intricate details of how our receipt notices are going to be processed at NSC,TSC or LUDs etc., But after going through so many threads for 2 weeks, I thought I can write up something on Friday afternoon.
LUDs: This may mean some processing on our files whether it is approved I140 or approved H1B. My first H1B of year 1998 got LUD as 07/07/07, year 2002 H1B got LUD in June 2007 and I-140 LUD as 07/28/2007. But in the current 485 context, I think NSC is updating our I-140 files based on current residence and putting some flag to segregate files for NSC or TSC. Seeing few threads, what I noticed is if someone living in NSC jurisdiction states like Illinois, Arizona etc, NSC started issuing receipt notices irrespective of where his/her 140 approved. So here is the matrix.
Living in I-140 approval File destination
NSC NSC NSC
NSC TSC NSC
TSC TSC TSC
TSC NSC TSC
If someone has contradictory scenario, please speak up.
LUDs: This may mean some processing on our files whether it is approved I140 or approved H1B. My first H1B of year 1998 got LUD as 07/07/07, year 2002 H1B got LUD in June 2007 and I-140 LUD as 07/28/2007. But in the current 485 context, I think NSC is updating our I-140 files based on current residence and putting some flag to segregate files for NSC or TSC. Seeing few threads, what I noticed is if someone living in NSC jurisdiction states like Illinois, Arizona etc, NSC started issuing receipt notices irrespective of where his/her 140 approved. So here is the matrix.
Living in I-140 approval File destination
NSC NSC NSC
NSC TSC NSC
TSC TSC TSC
TSC NSC TSC
If someone has contradictory scenario, please speak up.
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chanduv23
05-06 06:38 AM
:D Chill out guys ..........
If u r frustrated try Viagra ......
If u r not frustrated good for u .........
If u r neither search for the nearest escort service .....
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Did u know, a lot of the escorts come as immigrants on h1b visas as massage therapists???
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
They will definitely know and share your pain
Chill out friends, there is more to life. Summer is round the corner. Don't waste your valuble weekends on the forum, go out and have fun. Lead life like Americans (Work revolves around life) and not Indian (Life revolves around work).
Lets look at it positively. Something good will happen. Keep the faith and help IV in whatever ways you can. Contact local congressmen, I recently contacted Hillary Clinton's office.
There is always demand for ya all and Uncle Sam knows how to retain you.
Those in IT, dudes and dudettes - gotta work on your health because IT professionals are prone to all sorts health problems , keep your minds off the internet and work and must go out and chill.
If u r frustrated try Viagra ......
If u r not frustrated good for u .........
If u r neither search for the nearest escort service .....
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Did u know, a lot of the escorts come as immigrants on h1b visas as massage therapists???
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
They will definitely know and share your pain
Chill out friends, there is more to life. Summer is round the corner. Don't waste your valuble weekends on the forum, go out and have fun. Lead life like Americans (Work revolves around life) and not Indian (Life revolves around work).
Lets look at it positively. Something good will happen. Keep the faith and help IV in whatever ways you can. Contact local congressmen, I recently contacted Hillary Clinton's office.
There is always demand for ya all and Uncle Sam knows how to retain you.
Those in IT, dudes and dudettes - gotta work on your health because IT professionals are prone to all sorts health problems , keep your minds off the internet and work and must go out and chill.
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rchopra
08-26 04:49 PM
It seems, you got a better luck than many of us....enjoy!!!
Very strange i mail my I-485 on July 19th and got my receipts and check cashed. But I see other peoples who mailed July 2nd and they are still waiting for receipt? Why is that? Does not make sense.
Very strange i mail my I-485 on July 19th and got my receipts and check cashed. But I see other peoples who mailed July 2nd and they are still waiting for receipt? Why is that? Does not make sense.
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gsc999
06-21 11:50 AM
Yes, we have to wait for CIR to die. Sooner the better, because once House Republicans start holding hearings on CIR, this slow death for CIR might stretch beyond July. Extended mockery of house legistlative process will leave us hanging in a limbo.
Once this CIR charade is over we can move a new bill with only legal immigration provisions through Senate. Hopefully, Democrats will regain House majority this November. Even if they don't, this will be a litmus test for house republicans who have been so vocal in supporting the streamlining of legal immigration.
Once this CIR charade is over we can move a new bill with only legal immigration provisions through Senate. Hopefully, Democrats will regain House majority this November. Even if they don't, this will be a litmus test for house republicans who have been so vocal in supporting the streamlining of legal immigration.
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Rohan99
10-01 01:24 PM
July 3rd at 9:03 received by R.William--
I am still waiting...
Just checking to see how are others doing, If you have not received receipt number please let me know. If I am the only person left then I need to escalate this issue with my laywer..
Please respond, I know 10 days back there were few people still waiting
Any updates from....
i99
helpme1234
kingnaga
waitforgc123
I am still waiting...
Just checking to see how are others doing, If you have not received receipt number please let me know. If I am the only person left then I need to escalate this issue with my laywer..
Please respond, I know 10 days back there were few people still waiting
Any updates from....
i99
helpme1234
kingnaga
waitforgc123
vban2007
06-01 04:41 PM
Sent email... Thanks again
vkrishn
08-25 08:17 PM
Did you call TSC or NSC.
Its the 1800 number you call and then escalated to Tier 2.
Its the 1800 number you call and then escalated to Tier 2.
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